jeffhx
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wait for that crescendo!
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Post by jeffhx on May 25, 2008 0:14:30 GMT -4
meh it's all abt a loop conspiracy
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Post by Rustee on May 26, 2008 16:37:07 GMT -4
As much as I like space and astronomy and stuff, I'm going to have to agree with Tonja. I think people should put forth more effort at learning all the unknowns about our own planet, rather than wasting billions of dollars on space research. I know where you're coming from, yet whether we're learning about craters on the moon, the largest volcano and canyon in the solar system on Mars, looking for subterranean oceans on Europa, or just doing zero-g experiments at the space station, these pursuits are directly advancing our understanding of the processes here on Earth, not to mention countless technological innovations from the aerospace industry. Additionally: - While both room to grow and natural resources (various ores, gases, and potential energy sources) on Earth are finite, they're abundant in our own solar system. Access to such resources can only help alleviate some of the pressures of scarcity and population expansion that are often the origins of war and oppression.
- Asteroids, comets, gamma-ray bursts, solar instability...
"Since, in the long run, every planetary civilization will be endangered by impacts from space, every surviving civilization is obliged to become spacefaring--not because of exploratory or romantic zeal, but for the most practical reason imaginable: staying alive... If our long-term survival is at stake, we have a basic responsibility to our species to venture to other worlds." — Carl Sagan, Pale Blue Dot, 1994
- I think it does society well, both in the spiritual/philosophical sense and the actual welfare, to have a "frontier" that cooperatively focuses our efforts.
"Astronomy compels the soul to look upward, and leads us from this world to another." — Plato, 'The Republic,' 342 B.C.
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Post by Rustee on May 26, 2008 16:55:04 GMT -4
And on that note, I recently made a clip about anti-matter propulsion drives, which capitalizes on the most efficient form of energy conversion theorized.
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Post by iiholly on May 26, 2008 18:06:19 GMT -4
How long have they known that sound? For some reason it sounds very similar to background noises I've heard when going to those dome ceiling things that display stars. That and just gives me some sort of a memory from the national space museum in d.c.
I still really don't believe in space.
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Post by thesmitchens on May 28, 2008 21:06:38 GMT -4
As much as I like space and astronomy and stuff, I'm going to have to agree with Tonja. I think people should put forth more effort at learning all the unknowns about our own planet, rather than wasting billions of dollars on space research. I know where you're coming from, yet whether we're learning about craters on the moon, the largest volcano and canyon in the solar system on Mars, looking for subterranean oceans on Europa, or just doing zero-g experiments at the space station, these pursuits are directly advancing our understanding of the processes here on Earth, not to mention countless technological innovations from the aerospace industry. Additionally: - While both room to grow and natural resources (various ores, gases, and potential energy sources) on Earth are finite, they're abundant in our own solar system. Access to such resources can only help alleviate some of the pressures of scarcity and population expansion that are often the origins of war and oppression.
- Asteroids, comets, gamma-ray bursts, solar instability...
"Since, in the long run, every planetary civilization will be endangered by impacts from space, every surviving civilization is obliged to become spacefaring--not because of exploratory or romantic zeal, but for the most practical reason imaginable: staying alive... If our long-term survival is at stake, we have a basic responsibility to our species to venture to other worlds." — Carl Sagan, Pale Blue Dot, 1994
- I think it does society well, both in the spiritual/philosophical sense and the actual welfare, to have a "frontier" that cooperatively focuses our efforts.
"Astronomy compels the soul to look upward, and leads us from this world to another." — Plato, 'The Republic,' 342 B.C.
Thanks, I was going to say stuff like this, but I didn't feel like getting all long winded and argumentive like I usually do. You saved me the trouble and explained it that much better. Consider yourself exalted.
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Post by thesmitchens on May 28, 2008 21:07:57 GMT -4
I know where you're coming from, yet whether we're learning about craters on the moon, the largest volcano and canyon in the solar system on Mars, looking for subterranean oceans on Europa, or just doing zero-g experiments at the space station, these pursuits are directly advancing our understanding of the processes here on Earth, not to mention countless technological innovations from the aerospace industry. Additionally: - While both room to grow and natural resources (various ores, gases, and potential energy sources) on Earth are finite, they're abundant in our own solar system. Access to such resources can only help alleviate some of the pressures of scarcity and population expansion that are often the origins of war and oppression.
- Asteroids, comets, gamma-ray bursts, solar instability...
"Since, in the long run, every planetary civilization will be endangered by impacts from space, every surviving civilization is obliged to become spacefaring--not because of exploratory or romantic zeal, but for the most practical reason imaginable: staying alive... If our long-term survival is at stake, we have a basic responsibility to our species to venture to other worlds." — Carl Sagan, Pale Blue Dot, 1994
- I think it does society well, both in the spiritual/philosophical sense and the actual welfare, to have a "frontier" that cooperatively focuses our efforts.
"Astronomy compels the soul to look upward, and leads us from this world to another." — Plato, 'The Republic,' 342 B.C.
Thanks, I was going to say stuff like this, but I didn't feel like getting all long winded and argumentive like I usually do. You saved me the trouble and explained it that much better. Consider yourself exalted. I still really don't believe in space. Huh? Is this your dry sense of humor acting up again?
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Post by Tonja Renee on May 29, 2008 8:48:12 GMT -4
As much as I like space and astronomy and stuff, I'm going to have to agree with Tonja. I think people should put forth more effort at learning all the unknowns about our own planet, rather than wasting billions of dollars on space research. I know where you're coming from, yet whether we're learning about craters on the moon, the largest volcano and canyon in the solar system on Mars, looking for subterranean oceans on Europa, or just doing zero-g experiments at the space station, these pursuits are directly advancing our understanding of the processes here on Earth, not to mention countless technological innovations from the aerospace industry. Additionally: - While both room to grow and natural resources (various ores, gases, and potential energy sources) on Earth are finite, they're abundant in our own solar system. Access to such resources can only help alleviate some of the pressures of scarcity and population expansion that are often the origins of war and oppression.
- Asteroids, comets, gamma-ray bursts, solar instability...
"Since, in the long run, every planetary civilization will be endangered by impacts from space, every surviving civilization is obliged to become spacefaring--not because of exploratory or romantic zeal, but for the most practical reason imaginable: staying alive... If our long-term survival is at stake, we have a basic responsibility to our species to venture to other worlds." — Carl Sagan, Pale Blue Dot, 1994
- I think it does society well, both in the spiritual/philosophical sense and the actual welfare, to have a "frontier" that cooperatively focuses our efforts.
"Astronomy compels the soul to look upward, and leads us from this world to another." — Plato, 'The Republic,' 342 B.C.
I just don't have that much faith in the Governments... they are spending billions on this research.. and frankly, even if they do find another planet that can be inhabited or even resources taken from it... When this planet goes to shit.. do you honestly think you or your family will get to move there or see any of it? It will be for the elite of the elite, and the average Joe will be left to rott. Only people who can afford it, will get it... and the way things are going - that won't be many. Personally I think all that money government pours into it, should be used to saving the planet we have... If they want to keep looking in space - let them survive on donations like all the other organizations that not everyone believes in does...
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Post by iiholly on May 29, 2008 9:07:07 GMT -4
Amen, Tonja. On most days I think space does exist. Other times I think it'd be really funny if it didn't. One of the ultimate, expensive jokes. Plus, I want "i told you so..." rights.
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Post by Rustee on May 30, 2008 1:09:44 GMT -4
It will be for the elite of the elite, and the average Joe will be left to rott. Only people who can afford it, will get it... and the way things are going - that won't be many. The way things are going? Truthfully, when has more of the world's population ever had a higher standard of living than today? I see luxury as an evolving concept that changes as the contemporary standards change. Indoor plumbing, automobiles, even forks and spoons were once only available to the elite, yet in (relatively short) time they became taken for granted by the average Joe. Today's luxury is tomorrow's necessity. Actually, I essentially agree with this final premise to a degree. I certainly don't hold much faith in government either. In my opinion, ideally it should only serve its most basic Locke-onian functions of protecting individuals and their property (including income), and as famously expressed in the (U.S.) Declaration of Independence, "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." So yeah, while I may not be protesting in front of NASA tomorrow, I'm most encouraged by private investments like the X-prize competitions or Virgin investing in commercial space-flight R&D.
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Post by thesmitchens on May 30, 2008 9:40:38 GMT -4
I know where you're coming from, yet whether we're learning about craters on the moon, the largest volcano and canyon in the solar system on Mars, looking for subterranean oceans on Europa, or just doing zero-g experiments at the space station, these pursuits are directly advancing our understanding of the processes here on Earth, not to mention countless technological innovations from the aerospace industry. Additionally: - While both room to grow and natural resources (various ores, gases, and potential energy sources) on Earth are finite, they're abundant in our own solar system. Access to such resources can only help alleviate some of the pressures of scarcity and population expansion that are often the origins of war and oppression.
- Asteroids, comets, gamma-ray bursts, solar instability...
"Since, in the long run, every planetary civilization will be endangered by impacts from space, every surviving civilization is obliged to become spacefaring--not because of exploratory or romantic zeal, but for the most practical reason imaginable: staying alive... If our long-term survival is at stake, we have a basic responsibility to our species to venture to other worlds." — Carl Sagan, Pale Blue Dot, 1994
- I think it does society well, both in the spiritual/philosophical sense and the actual welfare, to have a "frontier" that cooperatively focuses our efforts.
"Astronomy compels the soul to look upward, and leads us from this world to another." — Plato, 'The Republic,' 342 B.C.
I just don't have that much faith in the Governments... they are spending billions on this research.. and frankly, even if they do find another planet that can be inhabited or even resources taken from it... When this planet goes to dookie.. do you honestly think you or your family will get to move there or see any of it? It will be for the elite of the elite, and the average Joe will be left to rott. Only people who can afford it, will get it... and the way things are going - that won't be many. Personally I think all that money government pours into it, should be used to saving the planet we have... If they want to keep looking in space - let them survive on donations like all the other organizations that not everyone believes in does... I don't think even Bill Gates could fund the development of the technology to send us to a whole other solar system, let alone a whole different galaxy. That would be insane, considering how far away stars are. I never thought of astronomy as an idea of where we might be living, rather something to learn about. Y'know, we're all just people doing what ever it takes to get to tomorrow without losing our sanity, and learning is a good way to do that, and there's always something to learn in astronomy.
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