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Post by stratman on Jul 11, 2007 17:48:13 GMT -4
How cool is this, bein on a new forum right at the beginning, big thanx to Eric and Tonja for getting this site up and running and lets see how far we can take it, this could be big
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Julian
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Post by Julian on Jul 11, 2007 18:05:11 GMT -4
I think the site will benefit greatly from actual content, as well as a message board. That's what draws people to guitartricks
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Post by Akira on Jul 11, 2007 18:13:45 GMT -4
I'm glad to be here and a big thanks to Eric and Tonja for starting this place up. I'll be sticking round for sure.
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Post by Mr. G. on Jul 11, 2007 18:33:48 GMT -4
I think the site will benefit greatly from actual content, as well as a message board. That's what draws people to guitartricks This site is only a message board. I'm not trying to take away from the actual content part of GT. The only 'content' we will have, is what is posted in the forums.
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Psy
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rock on!
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Post by Psy on Jul 12, 2007 6:30:55 GMT -4
love to be at the start of a new site with people that share the same goal (to play) and love for music
it really motivates me and keeps me jamming
...also kills time at work
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Post by Tonja Renee on Jul 12, 2007 9:54:34 GMT -4
I just wanted a place we could go to shoot the shit and talk about music and have some fun. GT is gearing towards the lessons aspect of the site and moving away from the forum part of the site. I wasn't there for the lessons.
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Post by Akira on Jul 12, 2007 13:14:34 GMT -4
For "content", i doubt we will have guitar lessons and such, as that is GT's domain.
However I'm sure there will be guides posted up and stuff, I know Eric has just posted an amp guide, and I'm going to start working on a compression guide sometime soon.
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Post by elklandercc on Jul 12, 2007 22:24:39 GMT -4
I'll deffinatly be around, more and more once I get used to the forum and puting it into my daily internet routine. I', glad we don't have to watch what we say anymore though, aside from flaming people.
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Post by acapella on Jul 12, 2007 22:59:25 GMT -4
Oh man, how great is this? Well, let me tell you...it's pretty great.
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Post by stratman on Jul 13, 2007 17:03:22 GMT -4
I'll deffinatly be around, more and more once I get used to the forum and puting it into my daily internet routine. I', glad we don't have to watch what we say anymore though, aside from flaming people. Ahmen to that bro, as long as it's clean hopefully it'll be a little more relaxed than that other site, sometimes feels like you should be wearing a tux and minding your p's and q's over there lest you should offend one of the 400,000 members that NEVER contribute or post on the boards
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Post by Akira on Jul 13, 2007 17:05:09 GMT -4
Ahmen to that bro, as long as it's clean hopefully it'll be a little more relaxed than that other site, sometimes feels like you should be wearing a tux and minding your p's and q's over there lest you should offend one of the 400,000 members that NEVER contribute or post on the boards Lmfao! Quite true actually, haha. I like this place a lot.
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Post by leedogg on Jul 14, 2007 23:58:26 GMT -4
So someone spill the beans already? What happened over at the "other" forums to make everyone jump ship?
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Post by stratman on Jul 15, 2007 8:42:25 GMT -4
So someone spill the beans already? What happened over at the "other" forums to make everyone jump ship? I think losing the chatroom, the legend that is Schmange being threatened with bannination for allegedly offending someone, and Eric being de-moderated for daring to express a valid opinion are contributing factors, there are over 400,000 members over there, only a handfull of us that actually post on the boards and yet the thumb screws are being tightened to ensure that we don't offend any of these non contributing johnny come lately's, if folk are so easily offended maybe they shouldn't be using the internet anyways
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Post by Tonja Renee on Jul 15, 2007 8:58:40 GMT -4
Well there are so many contributing factors here... But the main one for me is that it was indicated to me that there may be a chance that a group of long time members were at risk of being banned, should they continue to complain and speak out publicly in the forum. Eric and I have become pretty close to a lot of people on the site and didn't want to lose the ability to communicate - so this was sort of a precautionary measure.
As for Schmange.. well that is another story. This is how I take what happened.... From what I understand one of the main rules as a moderator is to not post while drunk or under the influence. Schmange was notorious for this and has been doing it for quite some time. Jon just recently starting getting after him for this, and that is the problem. Because he had done for so long without any problems... no one thought there was anything wrong with the post in question. Its Jon's fault for letting him get away with it for so long imo. You can't let someone do something for years and then on a whim discipline him for it.
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Post by Akira on Jul 15, 2007 9:32:59 GMT -4
Apart from what's already been said, it seemed Jon was putting more in favour the $ than the long term members who contribute to the heart of the website (the forum of course). Closing the chat room was a big issue. Remember when the colour scheme was going to change all those years ago and Jon made a thread asking our opinion? Nothing like that with the chat room, just closed it then wondered what was wrong with everyone when we complained. I guess overall, it just wasn't fun anymore. So we moved the heart to here, and what a good decision it was. It's great to see you on here Leedogg, hopefully you'll stick around for a while longer!
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taylormade
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'90s Rock Aficionado
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Post by taylormade on Jul 15, 2007 10:07:00 GMT -4
I was wondering if this was ever going to become a thread. For me it was just that the entire feel of GT has changed in the last 2 months. I became a member in 2005 and thought it was real cool how close people in the forum were. You could tell it was something special.
I'm a member of two other forums (one for wakeboarding and one for computers) and the relationships there are so different than the ones here (there). I can only assume that 99% of the people here have never met face to face, but you guys are so supportive and helpful to each other that I knew I wanted to stick around.
The ability for the owner of that website not to recognize that and get clouded with the ambition of making a little scratch was inexcusable IMO. It's clear to me that his motivations have changed drastically recently as he started sending out PMs basically prodding people to leave. I started a questionable post about the mods using the same avatar that wasn't inflamatory, but was snapped at none the less. Two months ago, I believe that post would have been welcome as it would have opened discussion on how to make the forum better.
I'm also very grateful that Eric and Tonja took the initiative to start this and I look forward to many great conversations.
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LATS
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Post by LATS on Jul 15, 2007 11:32:00 GMT -4
I've been kinda busy with other things, so I missed a lot of the transition stuff. I came back to find people in an uproar over schmange's latest escapade, and Jon imposing draconian rules on the moderators. I've had several run-ins with Kevin (schmange) about his 'special approach'. Stuff happens.... Jon's latest brain-fart amounts to making all of the mods wear a Company Uniform, and put a "that other forum" banner ad in their signatures. As a volounteer, I was able to retain my personal avatar, but I bent to pressure to change my sig. Its Jon's site, and he makes the rules. I think recent decisions have been unfortunate, but understandable. The forum has never been his main focus for the site. It was always an add-on, intended to let people who were taking lessons communicate with each other. The forum took on a life of its own, dominated by people who were not signing up for the lessons. I was active enough that Jon approved my request for a Tech Talk forum, and he appointed me to mderate it. Even after I became a super-moderator, with authority to work in other parts of the forum, I don't think I've even looked at the lessons more that a couple of times in the 6 or 7 years that I've been a member there. The chat room was even more removed from the focus on lessons, and use of it was often sporadic. I can understand that Jon doesn't want to deal with that, but I think that something very special has been jeopardised. I see The Guitar Pub as a refuge for the caring free-thinkers who made the old forum special. I hope we can foster the same cameraderie, without driving the costs sky-high with things like the infamous 'yep' thread. Be cool; be good to each other; be here often.
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Post by stratman on Jul 15, 2007 12:09:03 GMT -4
I've been kinda busy with other things, so I missed a lot of the transition stuff. I came back to find people in an uproar over schmange's latest escapade, and Jon imposing draconian rules on the moderators. I've had several run-ins with Kevin (schmange) about his 'special approach'. Stuff happens.... Jon's latest brain-fart amounts to making all of the mods wear a Company Uniform, and put a "that other forum" banner ad in their signatures. As a volounteer, I was able to retain my personal avatar, but I bent to pressure to change my sig. Its Jon's site, and he makes the rules. I think recent decisions have been unfortunate, but understandable. The forum has never been his main focus for the site. It was always an add-on, intended to let people who were taking lessons communicate with each other. The forum took on a life of its own, dominated by people who were not signing up for the lessons. I was active enough that Jon approved my request for a Tech Talk forum, and he appointed me to mderate it. Even after I became a super-moderator, with authority to work in other parts of the forum, I don't think I've even looked at the lessons more that a couple of times in the 6 or 7 years that I've been a member there. The chat room was even more removed from the focus on lessons, and use of it was often sporadic. I can understand that Jon doesn't want to deal with that, but I think that something very special has been jeopardised. I see The Guitar Pub as a refuge for the caring free-thinkers who made the old forum special. I hope we can foster the same cameraderie, without driving the costs sky-high with things like the infamous 'yep' thread. Be cool; be good to each other; be here often. Well said LATS we've all got a opportunity to make this place something special. Scott and Tonya, i've gotta admit i didn't realise that people were/are being threatened with bans! i read your thread Scott regarding the Mods avatars and completely agreed with it just never got around to replying to it, seems like it was a good job i didn't or then again maybe i will, Mwaaaah.
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Post by Akira on Jul 15, 2007 12:36:42 GMT -4
Very well said LATS.
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Raskolnikov
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Initial success or total failure
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Post by Raskolnikov on Jul 17, 2007 22:33:01 GMT -4
...there are over 400,000 members over there, only a handfull of us that actually post on the boards and yet the thumb screws are being tightened to ensure that we don't offend any of these non contributing johnny come lately's... I was just thinking on this subject and my realization relates directly to this: What is happening with the messageboard is more or less inevitable or at the very least, the better of two undesirable alternatives. The site and the community have both grown immensely since any of us discussing it here joined. While we deal primarily with the message board, there is a much larger site serving almost 500,000 users; many of them paying customers and many who for various reasons aren't especially net savvy. Jon as webmaster has a responsibility to provide for and service all of these customers equally and without prejudice. And that means (amongst other things) a lot of revisions to make the forum more user-friendly and less confusing for people who've never seen one work before and a lot of them simply aren't conducive to informal and free-wheeling forum we all know. That said, all of us here were once "Johnny Come Latelies" who'd contributed little to nothing to the forum and yet we were all accepted with open arms, ample patience and not a single ill word; who are we to forget that spirit now that the user base is changing? Change is inevitable. The free-wheeling and informal forum we all know and love isn't actually the free-wheeling and informal forum that we originally joined; myself in 2000. LATS and myself (and perhaps a couple others) remember when the forum was almost totally unmoderated and we the users used to chase off people who posted hateful, racist or otherwise derogatory material but the site grew and so the rules had to change (as it's done every time since when the forum reached a certain "critical mass") and the choice came down to letting the board fall into total anarchy or sacrifice a few of the things we originally loved about it in order to keep it useful to the whole community.To me, what makes that other forum different from every other site on the internet is its unconditional inclusiveness. Back in the Great Depression when my grandfolks were young and a guest stopped by, they weren't asked to bring their own food or to sit out while everybody else ate – the soup was watered down and everybody got their equal share. Sure, it couldn't have been as flavorful, but there's something to be said for having a community and taking care of each other.As to Schmange and Eric; I really don't know what's up with those situations, but everybody please remember: Nobody's perfect and everybody makes mistakes – usually without ever intending to wrong anybody or even realizing in retrospect that you did.
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