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Post by Tonja Renee on Jul 18, 2007 6:41:54 GMT -4
In the last day or so, my attitude has changed. Before I did not agree with how Jon was changing the site, but thought I understood and was still posting at the other site.
However recently I was privy to some information that basically showed Jon's true colors of his feelings about the older members.
Over the years Jon has asked for input from the forum members and has used it for the sites benefit. Now when some of the members don't agree or don't like something about the site, he now describes the members as... basically Loiterers.
It really pisses me off that someone can use people in such a way, and not recognize the contribution they have made and then treat them as a nuisance. He still is using some of Eric's designs, but had no problem lashing out him very rudely for a very minor comment.
As for the 400,000 members... i know they just recently hit the 10,000 paying customer mark... Now from a marketing standpoint - I doubt there are actually 10,000 paying members right now, but a total of 10,000 from the beginning. Even if there are 10,000 right now it's still pretty far from the majority.
IMO - I think Jon knows exactly what he is doing, and I think he would be pleased to know that some people have left that forum.
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Post by Akira on Jul 18, 2007 7:07:32 GMT -4
With reference to what Tonja said, I take great offence to being called a "kid" in that context. Jon just seems to be saying one thing and doing another recently. I'm never posting at that other forum again; I much prefer GP.
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Post by iiholly on Jul 19, 2007 13:58:27 GMT -4
All sounds like groovy tunes to me. Why did he shut down the chat room though? Was there a particular event? Ah well I'll have to some investigating and the like due to the fact I rarely get on the net due to work. Fortunately I'm working half the time in office and half the time on my dad's construction crew sooooo I have a bit more energy. Y'all take care now, you hear?
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Post by Akira on Jul 19, 2007 15:51:33 GMT -4
All sounds like groovy tunes to me. Why did he shut down the chat room though? Was there a particular event? Ah well I'll have to some investigating and the like due to the fact I rarely get on the net due to work. Fortunately I'm working half the time in office and half the time on my dad's construction crew sooooo I have a bit more energy. Y'all take care now, you hear? It's great to see you on here Holly! There wasn't an event as such, Jon just took it upon himself. He's reopened it now, but I wont be going back there. That place has changed too much and I much prefer it here. Hopefully we'll see you around here more often!
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Post by stratman on Jul 19, 2007 16:35:38 GMT -4
All sounds like groovy tunes to me. Why did he shut down the chat room though? Was there a particular event? Ah well I'll have to some investigating and the like due to the fact I rarely get on the net due to work. Fortunately I'm working half the time in office and half the time on my dad's construction crew sooooo I have a bit more energy. Y'all take care now, you hear? It's great to see you on here Holly! There wasn't an event as such, Jon just took it upon himself. He's reopened it now, but I wont be going back there. That place has changed too much and I much prefer it here. Hopefully we'll see you around here more often! Ahmen to that bro, and yeah nice to see ya over here holly
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Post by jiujitsu on Jul 19, 2007 19:03:10 GMT -4
I'm sorry to bring the mood down, but I didn't know until just now that Schmange got threatened with a ban. It would seem that that's actually my doing. It was me whom he "offended" - I overreacted to that post he made while drunk, and made a temperamental comment in reply - so it looks like what I did basically served as ammunition for Jon when telling him off. So much for my high-minded drama queen disdain. I owe all of you, especially Schmange, a huge apology. I don't know how I can make up for this
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Post by Rustee on Jul 19, 2007 19:20:39 GMT -4
I'm sorry to bring the mood down, but I didn't know until just now that Schmange got threatened with a ban. It would seem that that's actually my doing. It was me whom he "offended" - I overreacted to that post he made while drunk, and made a temperamental comment in reply - so it looks like what I did basically served as ammunition for Jon when telling him off. So much for my high-minded drama queen disdain. I owe all of you, especially Schmange, a huge apology. I don't know how I can make up for this Thanks for owning up to that. That took a lil courage. I never saw that post, so I don't really know, but certainly everything just spiraled out of control needlessly. That isn't the only factor here either, so don't feel too guilty. And yep...I think GT will now just purely be a resource for me, with GP being the more social side. I guess now it'll be a Guitar Pub Convention in the works. Heh....we really would all fit in one hotel.
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Post by wriggleruk on Jul 20, 2007 7:24:20 GMT -4
This is quite an interesting thread for me - I wasn't on the 'other place' for that long, and wasn't really a regular contributor, perhaps for the very reason that you guys all up-and-moved together - you seemed to 'know' each other and I ( being a basically shy and retiring sort ;D ) didn't feel comfortable butting in at times, even when I had something to say. This forum already feels different, perhaps because we all came in at the same point. Although I had no clue about all the shenanigins going on for you people, ( except the chat room incident ) I had noticed even in my short time that the tone had changed - it seems sillier and more pointless things were being posted. Anyway, looking forward to a better time here!
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Post by ren on Jul 20, 2007 10:50:46 GMT -4
Sorry to come late to this... I've been offline for a few days. I'd like to make a comment, but I'd also like to remain welcome on both sides of the fence... even if I am left picking splinters out of my ass. Hope I phrase this right...
There are 3 sides to every story - In this case, they are:
Jon's The 'Older Members'' The Truth/Reality
I don't pretend to know all that went on, but I do know that Jon sees things very differently than some of you guys do. I'll admit I'm saddened that people are 'privy to information', which to me means chinese whispers and possibly indiscretion, and I have also seen people posting in chat 'I'll never go back there after what I heard has happened' which is the same again. If you haven't got an issue yourself, why jump on someone else's bandwagon? I don't get it, but hey... solidarity is fine and admirable, but I can't help wondering if in some instances it is misplaced. In Schmange's instance - I saw the post, it wasn't terrible in my opinion but Jon pays him, so I guess that skews the dynamic - not comment on this other than he can look after himself... I'm also not sure he was actually banned, just asked to take some time to reflect, and not to post drunk (which was a mod rule anyway).
I'm disappointed that it looks like many of you guys won't be returning, particularly as you were so vocal and have 'won' on the single issue that dominated this. I am very happy though that I can still find you online somewhere... I'd have liked to see you stick around though.
Now, being as The Pub is a little more relaxed, I'll sit back and see if I get flamed... Hopefully most of you know I'm a straight up kind of guy, and I hope I didn't offend anyone with the above - I guess I don't like change any more than the next guy.
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Post by Tonja Renee on Jul 20, 2007 11:40:00 GMT -4
Everyone is entitled to their opinion here. I'm sure you won't get flamed... Doesn't mean people will always agree though.
But as with any transition of the way a business, or community is run - you will have people come and go. This is just one of those times that enough has gone on to make some people leave. You may or may not agree, but that is the reality.
As with any business, word of mouth positive or negative effects patronage. And you can't expect only the positive to be passed around.
Some people will choose to stay at the other forum, some people will leave and choose to frequent here exclusively and some will still frequent both. It's all good.
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Post by jeffhx on Jul 20, 2007 12:15:10 GMT -4
what a douchebag(reference to jon)
that is all im saying
*for the record, i was a paying customer and got flamed by him(pretty sure im not the only one here)
so yea
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Post by stratman on Jul 20, 2007 17:17:30 GMT -4
I'm disappointed that it looks like many of you guys won't be returning, particularly as you were so vocal and have 'won' on the single issue that dominated this. I am very happy though that I can still find you online somewhere... I'd have liked to see you stick around though. Now, being as The Pub is a little more relaxed, I'll sit back and see if I get flamed... Hopefully most of you know I'm a straight up kind of guy, and I hope I didn't offend anyone with the above - I guess I don't like change any more than the next guy. I still pop in now and again, i've met some good people over there, whatever has or hasn't gone on over there won't change my desire to communicate with likeminded people. The Pub is definately a little more relaxed but i'm sure flaming won't be allowed over here, anymore than it would over there, you've said nothin to offend me ren and i'd like to think we're all adult enough to respect each others views and opinions without the Mods havin to wade in (i can get that sort of nonsense at HC!)
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Post by barchordnick on Jul 20, 2007 17:57:49 GMT -4
Personally I go to both sites. I prefer this forum and spend much more time here mostly because it's relaxed and I know the people here better than most at the other forum. I think the other site is still the best lesson site on the net and really can't complain in that respect. I also like the listening post section of the other site. As for Jon I have only had one instance to go around with him and it was on the subject of the chat room. It was mellow and I simply posted my thoughts on the subject and he replied with his. I'm not aware of all the details of the confrontations between Eric and Jon or Schmange and Jon. Therefore I can't really form an opinion one way or another. I will say on the chat issue I found his thinking a bit convoluted and made no sense to me at all. Anyway "The Pub" is my favorite forum so all is good. Oh.. as far as flaming someone.....I think the people here are adult enough to handle things in a better way.
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Post by hdj on Nov 13, 2007 19:15:52 GMT -4
I still visit the other forum from time to time, but not nearly as much as I used too. I will be here a lot more, really like it here.
I rarely got involved with personl opinion threads, so I don't really have any "enemies" on the other forum. Like everyone, there were a couple of post made to me and some I made that probably shouldn't have been posted, but that's life I guess...
I had more of a problem with a few (okay, 3) of the people posting over there than I do with Jon. Those 3 will remain nameless, but I haven't seen 'em on here yet and probably won't.
Rock on Guitar Pub!!
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Post by earthman on Nov 13, 2007 22:29:00 GMT -4
Did anyone ever invite Schmange here? Just curious, I always thought he was a pretty cool guy.
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Post by stratman on Nov 14, 2007 7:32:02 GMT -4
Did anyone ever invite Schmange here? Just curious, I always thought he was a pretty cool guy.
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Post by Mr. G. on Nov 14, 2007 7:44:06 GMT -4
I really have no idea. Feel free to invite him, if anybody wants to. I wouldn't mind having him around at all.
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Post by earthman on Nov 14, 2007 20:43:39 GMT -4
I'll do it...but wasn't there some sort of activation code? Or did I just dream that?
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Post by Mr. G. on Nov 14, 2007 22:03:57 GMT -4
You automatically get sent an activation code when you try to register... whether your e-mail will let it through or not is another story. Free e-mail accounts tend to work best.
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Post by Schmange on Nov 15, 2007 21:16:39 GMT -4
Actually, just to set things straight. I wasn't drunk...I took prescription medication which basically made me loopy and caused massive memory loss. (like not remembering what happened for 3 days) From what I can remember, I posted something raunchy (actually PG rated but on GT that's a no-no). Jon asked me to remove it and I did. Then (and my memory is sketchy here) we got into an argument about censorship etc... (not to mention other things that have been building up over the years). My next memory is Jon banning me for a week and then taking away my moderator privileges.
I took a week to think about it and basically came to the conclusion that Jon had a point. First off, I was posting in the forum under one name and posting lessons under another. Like... major dual personality issues... KT is supposed to be a professional guitar player giving paid lessons, while Schmange is a party asshole who hates authority and likes pushing peoples buttons.
Anyways, I decided to drop the Schmange name and do away with him for good on GT cause my main focus there is to give guitar lessons and make money & I can see how some people might be confused by pro lessons coupled with boob jokes especially when they're paying for membership.
I gotta say tho, the forum majorly sucks now that all the regulars have gone.
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