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Dec 7, 2007 7:52:23 GMT -4
Post by jeffhx on Dec 7, 2007 7:52:23 GMT -4
www.zeitgeistmovie.com/some of you guys probably wudve heard of this thing... just thought i'd share it if you havent... the 3rd part was new to me... i didnt manage to finish the movie cos my internet screwed up and it wudn finish loading it's 2 hrs worth of web streaming... enjoy it, criticise it, not enjoy it, laugh at it
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Dec 7, 2007 14:44:49 GMT -4
Post by earthman on Dec 7, 2007 14:44:49 GMT -4
"With his crown of thorns, or...sun rays." Kind of a stretch, if you ask me. I dunno, I'm still only in the first part, but I don't like it very much. The ideas in it are sort of interesting, but I don't think it's very well-made. The fact that the first 10 minutes or so is entirely animation and pictures of space set to this freaky ambient music turned me against it right off the bat.
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Dec 7, 2007 16:24:46 GMT -4
Post by earthman on Dec 7, 2007 16:24:46 GMT -4
*mops brow*
Okay, I just finished it. It turned out to be alright, a lot of interesting theories in there. My main complaint is how the first part has basically nothing to do with the other two. Let me break it down for you:
Part 1: Christianity is merely a plagiarism of previously existing religious myths, all of which are based in pagan astrology and the Zodiac.
Part 2: The American government lied about 9/11.
Part 3: The American government is secretly controlled by an ubiquitous banking agency, which engineered WWI, the Great Depression, WWII, the Vietnam War, and 9/11 as moneymaking opportunities.
Like...okay, I can buy all three of those theories, given a few arguments, but I don't see what the first one has to do with the other two. I think in the third one they're like, "Yeah, and the Federal Reserve uses religion to keep people under their command" or something, but the connection is never really elaborated on.
Overall I give it a...B-. I'm all for conspiracy theories, but I didn't think it was very professionally done. It was a little too....cartoony.
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Dec 8, 2007 13:03:11 GMT -4
Post by jeffhx on Dec 8, 2007 13:03:11 GMT -4
i think the religion part of it was meant to be associated with the wars such as the crusade and such and how it was being manipulated by politicians back then for profit.. meh conspiracy theories are fun...the evidences provided for the bank thing was pretty intriguing to me... the 9/11 thing is old...i agree that the movie wasnt professionally done but i guess their main emphasis were the evidences... the thing that caught my attention was when i heard george carlin's voice somewhere in the beginning of the video...i was like 'heyy i know this guy and i watched the video of him saying the exact words'... so yeah..i gotta admit tho... it seems as if theyve done pretty good research... or not... meh what do i know anyway
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Dec 8, 2007 19:26:46 GMT -4
Post by Akira on Dec 8, 2007 19:26:46 GMT -4
Stayed up till 3am watching that vid.
Whenever I watch a video on conspiracy theories the same thing happens: I go to bed depressed, wake up the next morning and continue on with my life.
The world's a messed up place and the fact that people feel the need to make videos like these (whether true or not) prooves that.
I think conspiracy theories are too easy to believe, but either way, if the stuff in that video is true, then at least I know i'll die without "fucking up the world" being one of many things on my conscience.
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Dec 8, 2007 22:26:32 GMT -4
Post by Hunter60 on Dec 8, 2007 22:26:32 GMT -4
Nine times out of ten, conspiracies theories are nonsense. But they get legs because THEY MAKE BETTER STORIES THAN THE TRUTH. I'll be the first to admit, there's usually more to a story than we know but some of these full blown conspiracy theories are just great stories. Period. I may not like W. Bush at all but I refuse, simply refuse, to believe that my government would not only allow 9/11 to happen but orchestrate it. Hell, this is the same government that can't respond properly to a natural disaster (Katrina), how the hell would this group of bumbling idiots manage to put something like that together?
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Dec 8, 2007 23:51:46 GMT -4
Post by earthman on Dec 8, 2007 23:51:46 GMT -4
Hell, this is the same government that can't respond properly to a natural disaster (Katrina), how the hell would this group of bumbling idiots manage to put something like that together? I don't think it's so much a matter of the government not being able to respond as the government not responding. I find it pretty hard to believe a government would orchestrate something like 9/11 too, but I don't totally discount it. I mean, America is supposed to be the most powerful nation on Earth. I find it just as hard to believe that something as fairly obvious as hijacking a plane and flying it into a building could even be pulled off in such a technological, militaristically-advanced country.
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Dec 9, 2007 0:12:32 GMT -4
Post by Hunter60 on Dec 9, 2007 0:12:32 GMT -4
I hear you Earthman. But history is replete with stories of a bunch of rag tag fighters (terrorists) taking on a vastly superior military might and inflicting a lot of damage. Some times, the most simple action is the most most frightning one.
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Dec 9, 2007 11:45:09 GMT -4
Post by Raskolnikov on Dec 9, 2007 11:45:09 GMT -4
Hell, this is the same government that can't respond properly to a natural disaster (Katrina), how the hell would this group of bumbling idiots manage to put something like that together? The Federal Government responded correctly to Katrina. The problem is that the State and local governments in Louisiana and the New Orleans area generally did the exact opposite of everything they were supposed to do – both before and after the storm. Nagin's government specifically is responsible for most of the problems.
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Dec 9, 2007 15:47:56 GMT -4
Post by Rustee on Dec 9, 2007 15:47:56 GMT -4
I didn't watch the movie myself. True, conspiracies are sometimes factual, but I don't generally put much credence in such theories. I'll still throw my $0.02 in. Not sure of the specific claims presented, but I am aware of some "borrowing" of themes/rituals in the theology of Judaism (old testament). But I don't doubt that Jesus was indeed an inspiring historical figure, worthy as a base of morality...whether he was divine (and resurrected) is up to the individual to decide. I mean, America is supposed to be the most powerful nation on Earth. I find it just as hard to believe that something as fairly obvious as hijacking a plane and flying it into a building could even be pulled off in such a technological, militaristically-advanced country. Yes, when focused on an objective, our technological militaristically-advanced abilities are titanic in scope...but it wasn't fairly obvious before the fact. You know what they say about hindsight. In addition, we didn't heed the warning of the 1st WTC bombing in the 90's or various other attacks on American interests/forces on foreign lands. In short, the radical Islamics' patient efforts over long time-spans went ignored. Again not sure, but it's presumably talking of the Federal Reserve, which is hardly a secret. Many of the positions are presidentially appointed. Though I might agree that it could be too powerful and over-reaching. And regarding Katrina, I'm more with Rask on that too. I'm not the federal government's biggest fan either, but one could argue that it was the most successful rescue effort in American history. Various military branches rescued over 14,000, not counting volunteers and local response; it could've been much, much worse. If anything, FEMA prolly over-responded with its financial response. For perspective, I can't help but look back to Galveston's 1900 storm that killed unknown numbers (est 8,000-14,000). Like N.O., they too disregarded the potential threat and didn't properly prepare. However, the next day, able bodied men were denied food/water unless they contributed to the cleanup. And the subsequent undertaking to literally raise the height of much of the city by 8-14 ft and build a seawall miles in length was mostly a locally private and civic effort.
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Dec 9, 2007 16:25:17 GMT -4
Post by Hunter60 on Dec 9, 2007 16:25:17 GMT -4
I was unclear in my initial post. The rescue efforts were commendable. I agree. But the resultant follow up, economically especially, was far from what was expected. And not just expected by Lousiana and Mississippi residents but what the nation as a whole expects from our government. Yes indeed, it could have been much, much worse. But from what I had seen, a lot of what was done in those first few weeks was done by volunteer organizations and indivduals as opposed to FEMA.
I do not care for this administration one bit but I will give them props when I think they deserve them. Sadly, they've been few and far between. Now before you decide to label me a liberal, allow me to state my politics for the record. I am a registered Independent. I have voted both Democrat and Republican. I will not be swayed by party rhetoric. I am in total disagreement with the war in Iraq but support the troops 100%. I was a troop once myself. I will give props to this adminstration for their attempts to minimize government in private business. I am all for that. But other than that, I see failure for the past seven years.
I do not think that Gore or Kerry would have fared any better. The reason this adminstration has had a stranglehold on this nation for so long is because neither party has anything better to offer. It saddens me to see the economy going down the toilet. It breaks me heart to see unemployment on the rise. I am no economist but we appear to be on the edge of an economic collapse very similar in scope to that of the thirties.
Truth be told, I think unless there emerges a great leader, America could find itself being replaced as a SuperPower by an one of several other nations.
But I respect your opinions on these matters. I am not a student of politics or economics. I just base my thoughts on what I see, read and hear.
I hope and pray that I am wrong.
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Dec 9, 2007 19:54:21 GMT -4
Post by Skeleton Keys on Dec 9, 2007 19:54:21 GMT -4
That people would rather sit and willingly be spoon-fed bullshit conspiracies, yellow journalism (not as much these days...how about grossly exagerated?) and false, manipulative propaganda rather than being force-fed the truth worries me.
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Dec 9, 2007 20:13:16 GMT -4
Post by Hunter60 on Dec 9, 2007 20:13:16 GMT -4
Skel, you can't force feed someone truth. Like I said, conspiracies just make a much better story. They are more fun to read than the truth, generally speaking. Besides, generally, people love that there may be some boogie man behind the scenes exploiting things. It's human nature I guess.
There's nothing that can be done about it either. I wish there were but there's not.
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Dec 10, 2007 12:02:23 GMT -4
Post by Skeleton Keys on Dec 10, 2007 12:02:23 GMT -4
Skel, you can't force feed someone truth. Like I said, conspiracies just make a much better story. They are more fun to read than the truth, generally speaking. Besides, generally, people love that there may be some boogie man behind the scenes exploiting things. It's human nature I guess. There's nothing that can be done about it either. I wish there were but there's not. A sad, sad truth indeed.
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